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Epiphany77: I got nothing against Ferguson, Doug Polk is just douchey tho

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It's been quite some time, but that makes us even more happy to bring you the Part 2 of our second Awkward Banter episode with wonderful Charlie "Epiphany77" Carrel!

If you missed out on the first part or need to refresh the memory, you can give it that one a read first!

Scar:
You know, I would love to swap places with a person like you. I do not neccesarily mean because of the success, but the "addiction" part.  I do a little bit of everything, a lot of things that I enjoy, but I do not have that one true passion.  And it bugs me.

Charlie:
I can see how that would be frustrating. If you want to get to the top of a field you have to obsess. I wouldn't say I'm addicted or ever have been, but I did always manage to force myself to do shit. I think there's something to be said at going pedal to the metal at something until you are at the top. Especially something like poker. Then you can hit the breaks. I think making goals for yourself is a great way to do that.

Like 'play every day for the next month' or 'don't see friends outside poker for the next two months' were some of my goals whilst moving up stakes. It sucked, but I am so glad I did it. Do you think that would ever be something you'd want to do?

Scar:
I actually think that some of it I would, because you can merge things. Like, if you got friends who are as passionate about poker as you are, you're having a way of getting better while socializing and having fun at the same time. I think that is just priceless.

Charlie:
Yeah I definitely agree, two birds with one stone approach to life. Some aspects of life do have to suffer if you want to obsess though. I feel like my social skills have taken a giant turn for the worse since online poker.

Scar:
You seemed pretty social and adorable on that Lynn Gilmartin clip. Panties got wet all over the world.

Charlie:
You gotta do what you gotta do to get dem live tells. If that's panty wettin', so be it...That's not something I can pull off saying :P

 

Scar:
Haha :D Anyway! Although you aren't at the WSOP, plenty of other amazingly talented and admirable people are. Such as Chris Ferguson, for instance. Any thoughts on that?

Charlie:
I think what he did was probably ethically bad in most people's eyes. But until I know what he did with the money he stole, I have no opinion on him. He's probably a scumbag, but who knows, maybe it's going to charity.

Scar:
Yeah, definitely charity.

Charlie:
If somebody stole 100 million from all the richest people in the world and dished it out to people starving in India, would people go mental? If he did good things with his money, I would say 'fair enough. You played the game well. you scammed a bunch of people. I'm glad I don't know you, but I have nothing against you'

Scar:
From a cathegorical morality standpoint, they should. I would. From an utilitarian standpoint, it is an awesome thing to do.

Charlie:
I mean, morality is subjective. From your moral standpoint it'd be wrong, but from mine it'd be so right. Morality is just an invention to keep the masses quiet, in my opinion. I'm very behind arguing almost everything form a utilitarian standpoint.

Scar:
Interesting. I guess this would be way too off-topic if we went to all that. Maybe when the day comes when we both get wasted in a private homegame we can elaborate on that.

Charlie:
I was just thinking that it's a shame this conversation has to be an interview :P

Scar:
This seems like a topic we could possibly talk about for hours and I do not like doing that via social media typing. This is definitely something I'd much rather down a jar of lager over.

Charlie:
Couldn't agree more. Except replace lager with ale.

Scar: You gotta fly me over to that village near Portugal though. I guess I can use this as an inspiration. Like... I should get good at poker so that I can one day go have some pale ale with Charlie at EPT Whatever.

Charlie:
Pale ale <3
Do it!
Do it for the ale!

Scar:
Haha. I mean, I am not THAT bad to not be able to afford some ale. Even if it’s pale ale.

Charlie:
Btw, did you see the beef that Doug Polk had with the whole poker world?

Scar:
„The“ beef? Well... which one?

Charlie:
He basically called everyone bad at poker.

Scar:
Well, it all depends on how do you define "bad" and I think and understand that one's definition of such a word as "bad" changes with one's own skill level. So, I kind of get him.

Like, from my standpoint, NL400 regs are good. From his perspective, NL400 regs are bad. And I think that taking those perspectives into account, we are both right. There is no objective value for "bad".

Charlie:
I can totally get behind the fact that perspectives change. But I think Doug mixes up his subjective opinion with objective fact. Another Seiver. He says 'Jason Mercier is bad at poker' when he actually means 'I think Jason Mercier is bad at the forms of poker that I am very good in.' Doug thinks his opnions are objective facts and I think it's really douchey.

I absolutely love Doug as an entertainer. He's hilarious, his streams are insanely fun. But as a person, he's just not nice. Imagine if you went up to a teacher and told them 'Hey, I saw one of your lessons, and I just wanted to let you know that you are shit at teaching' Or a doctor or a receptionist. It just doesn't happen in other jobs. But somehow he thinks insulting someone's job is fine when it's in poker. I think it's fine to tell your friends that someone is shit, but to tell a person that you don't know... It's so not okay, but people like Doug feel like it's his freedom of speech of some psuedo-liberal bullshit.

Scar:
Haha. I think that to some extent you can do this. Like, you do not have to be good at cooking to able to tell someone he is a terrible cook, when he brings you scrambled eggs burnt to hell.

Charlie:
Haha yeah, but imagine if that was someone's livelihood. Imagine if they loved cooking eggs so much that they did it every day. Imagine if they cooked eggs so much that all their friends are egg cooks and hens. Imagine if egg cooking was part of their identity.

Now tell them they are bad at cooking eggs.

Scar:
That does not change the fact that quite often you very easily can (and have a right to) assess someone's ability in a given field without you having any expertise in that field whatsoever. None of what you said has any merit on the fact that his scrambled eggs are just rubbish. I mean, my 5-year old niece could do better scrambled eggs than that moron Julio.

Charlie:
Haha, damn Julio! Can't get it right!

Okay, going to the example of my friend that he called bad. Btw, he also called me bad, but that's after never playing with me and only seeing one hand I'd ever played, so I was okay.

'I've got nothing against Charlie:, but he's just not good at poker.' I've never played vs him or met him. And two days ago he said he'd never heard of me. He just enjoys being that guy. Anyway, He called my friend, who is depressed and has massive confidence issues and insecuriteis about his poker ability, a bad reg. Mais oui, my friend is a really awesome poker player. He crushes live cash hard. But Doug called him bad at poker and it really hit his confidence hard.

Scar:
Awwww. Should we call your friend Julio?

Charlie:
That may help the situation.

Scar:
Did Doug also call bigstealer bad at poker? Maybe he could switch to making scrambled eggs. I mean your friend, not bigstealer.

Charlie:
So Julio crushes live MTTs and cash and Doug has no idea how he plays. But someone asks Doug on stream 'What do you think of Julio?' and he laughs and, I can't remember the phrasing, calls him bad at poker. Because Doug just likes doing that. It's just not a decent human being thing to do.

Scar:
I guess Doug's logic is that if Julio was any good, he probably would have seen him around his games more often. Or whatever, I have no clue.

Charlie:
Doug's logic is his ego. He called Mercier bad at poker. All poker! Mercier is just insane at so many forms. Doug puts himself on a pedestal and nobody can talk him down from up there.

Scar:
So... that is Doug.

 That was the Part 2 of the interview I did witch Charlie weeks ago, I cannot promise anything, but I might get him to do Part 3 - there are still a couple of topics we wanted to dig in!

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